‘Pick Up Artists’ aren’t welcome

5 thoughts on “‘Pick Up Artists’ aren’t welcome”

  1. These particular guys get worse and worse the more you hear about them. Jeffy’s group doesn’t just teach negging and other tryhard dating, which is bad enough. If you’re tempted to read this and go ‘nah stupid PUAs?’, this group advocates for physically assaulting women as a technique for breaking the ice, and using the techniques of emotional and physical abuse to keep her keen. One of them straight up suggested it was a top idea to choke women as your ‘opener’. So if you’re thinking this all sounds like a bit of harmless pseudoscience that surely won’t escalate to anything worse: well, it already has. I’ve signed the petition and I urge everyone to do the same.

  2. So why don’t don’t all of you who think the teachings of these guys are so terribly immoral tell us men on how to seduce woman? Buy her flowers and help her moving? The guy you were wildly kissing in the corner of the club, what traits did he have? Why did you respond to it? Seduction is just a skill men have learned or should learn. It’s not manipulation. What works works. Get over it.

  3. My goal of becoming good at interacting with woman is to really enjoy interacting with woman. Positive interactions with woman can be amazing experiences. It is about having a really good time for both parties. Because of all kinds of social conditionings, people have all kinds of anxieties, fears and insecurities about it. This is aimed at men to overcome them. To understand why they are not having these amazing experiences with woman, while other people do. And to actually do something instead of crying about it. It’s mainly focused on men teaching men about how to become better men. Next to that, it clearly exposes how these dynamics work in modern day society. Some of the things that do attract woman might seem shocking, but people are all different, some people enjoy shocking…pickup experts developed an understanding for what works for different kind of woman, for ‘bad girs’, for ‘good girls’, for all kinds.,,the ‘bad ones’ might respond to more ‘shocking’ approaches. This upsets you? It’s just a reality. All this information is to be learned from, not to be banned. Note that people who are interested in this have all kind of goals with it, some look just for fun nights out (sex can add on to that), some look for serious relationships (where to look for interesting woman, and what to do to get them interested in a long term relationship with me? What should I be so she won’t run away?), some look just for the thrill of the interactions, some look for generally learning about social dynamics etc. etc. It’s good that people are critical, but it is way to easy to just scream: what they teach is immoral, ban them from the country!

  4. I believe your conception of the pickup movement is the classic media-hyped strawman at it’s very best. If you were truly inclined to seek in a well-balanced and impartial and insight community, you will find there to be great emphasis on fostering genuine connections with women. As a 20 year old male who has recently delved into the movement after a period of dabbling and casual, periodic speculation, I can attest that I have learnt a great deal about exerting confidence, being at ease with myself, living within the presence of life’s moments and building and maintaining my internal truss-work which communicates honesty and authenticity to people. Pickup/seduction is far less concerned with quick-fix calculated routines and scripted instances (i.e. negging), which are fabricated in such an attempt to win the sexual and romantic affection from women, than it was the case a decade ago. What we have here is a natural progression toward an emphasis on self-awareness and self-development being inextricably entwined with romantic/sexual relationships with women. As someone who unabashedly ‘daygames’ in Auckland’s CBD, it rather baffles me to see like-minded individuals such yourself superficially plucking a few examples of what appear to you as off-colour jokes out of their larger contexts and use those very examples to deride the pickup art community as facilitators for misogyny and violence against women. I’m not saying online resources such as RSD are by any means perfect – they to me personally seem to have a strength with confidence boosting while somewhat lacking in the area concerning emotional investment in women in their free YouTube videos, although to be fair I have seen a few videos touch upon the subject; but contrary to what you believe, actually they do more good than harm. If by any chance you’re curious to know about a more holistic and emotionally-oriented approach to seduction, I would recommend checking out The Natural Lifestyles – an Aussie based seduction coaching business.


    This video may fill you with a lot of glee, considering the topical nature of this site of your’s.

    Also, you should check out Mark Manson. He is a former pickup coach, but still offers invaluable insight on relationships and women.

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